Tails

#7 Updated by Anonymous 2017-06-30 11:27:49

Hi spriver, is there such a gender neutral branch or have the german translators been working on this directly in master in the end?

#11 Updated by spriver 2018-08-29 12:49:17

Possible solutions in German to provide a gender-neutral language

• e.g. Benutzende

• add a “disclaimer” that we address everyone and that we understand the general problem but use common wording as it’s less complicated. -> aka. leave as it is

• use both female/male wording, e.g. “Benutzerinnen und Benutzer”.

• switch around between e.g. male and female

• “internal I” aka Binnen-I (BenutzerInnen)

• “Gendergap” and variants (underscore, asterisk, small/operator asterisk, period. e.g. “Benutzer_innen”, “Benuter*innen”, “Benutzer﹡innen”, “Benutzer∗innen”, “Benutzer.innen”) (I personally like the Gender. (as it’s super discrete, easy to type and a it’s a small tight character) Interesting read: https://digitalcourage.de/themen/feminismus/leitfaden-fuer-eine-gendergerechte-sprache)

• “Gender-x” abolish gender completely and replace it by an “x” or “ces”, e.g. “Benutzx” resp. “Benutzecs”

#12 Updated by spriver 2018-08-29 19:23:38

We have to be careful with “new” forms and variants that could break compatibility with screen readers.

I did some tests in Tails with common variants of gendering words:

Standard wording (works without problems):

• Benutzerinnen und Benutzer
• Benutzende

Gender Gaps (working without any problems):

• Benutzer.innen (spriver’s personal favourite)
• BenutzerInnen
• Benutzer﹡innen

Gender Gaps that won’t work

• Benutzer*innen (pronounced Benutzersterninnen)
• Benutzer∗innen (pronounced Benutzerasteriskinnen)
• Benutzer_innen (pronounced Benutzerunterstrichinnen)

Other Variants:

• Benutzx (sounds quite clumsy)
• Benutzecs (sounds okayish, but not all people might understand)

#13 Updated by Anonymous 2018-08-30 15:26:30

> Benutzer.innen (spriver’s personal favourite)

I like it.

I just hope that po checkers do not freak out if there are more dots in the translation than in the original string. We should verify what Weblate and poedit do when that happens. Do they block saving the file? If yes, we have a problem.. :)

#14 Updated by spriver 2018-08-31 15:45:35

u wrote:
> > Benutzer.innen (spriver’s personal favourite)
>
> I like it.
>
> I just hope that po checkers do not freak out if there are more dots in the translation than in the original string. We should verify what Weblate and poedit do when that happens. Do they block saving the file? If yes, we have a problem.. :)

(:

I double-checked the poedit workflow, it would work out with “Benutzer.innen”. But I don’t know how to check with Weblate though.

#16 Updated by muri 2018-09-11 17:30:59

(just ftr: there is also the form ‘Benutzerinnen’ ;))

I didn’t know the dot-version before, thanks for bringing that up! And i’m fine with using it.
Thanks also for the digitalcourage link- i like their 4 point strategy, what do you think about using it? i’m not sure if their order is set in stone, i’d probably say: if the first point is not an option, chose one of 2,3,4 depending on the context.

> Kann eine geschlechtsmarkierte Form vermieden werden? (z.B. „Grundrechte“ statt „Bürgerrechte“, „Studierende“ statt „Studenten“ oder „alle“ statt „jeder“)
> Falls nein, ist Beidnennung elegant möglich?
> Falls nein, lässt sich ggf. abwechseln? („Ärztinnen und Patienten“)
> Falls nein, Beidnennung durch den Punkt („Redner.in“).

(i esp. like the third point, because it makes it possible to invert gender roles, like ‘Chefin und Sekretär’)