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#6 Updated by hefee 2019-06-17 17:06:17

it’s low prio for a reason. as sound-juicer is still maintained upstream it is more a thing for a rainy sunday and hard to call it core work.

the only blocker is testing goobox to check if it’s good enough now in Buster. see last test report on the ticket for Jessie!, that concluded that it was not back then.

#7 Updated by sajolida 2019-06-17 17:45:23

I meant to test goobox on the Mac I have which has a DVD drive but I can’t start Tails 4.0 on it (yet!)

At first sight, goobox has a more transparent name in GNOME (“CD Player”) which is a benefit over “Sound Juicer” but I couldn’t test the bug that intrigeri reported in Stretch.

#12 Updated by intrigeri 2019-08-17 15:33:00

Hi @sajolida,

> I tested goobox, aka. the GNOME CD Player, in 4.0~beta1 with a 1280x800 screen and a 16 tracks CD.

Yeah, thanks!

> h2. Sound Juicer

> * I first have to mount the CD in files before being able to list it in Sound Juicer.

What actions did you perform to “mount” it? (AFAIK an audio CD contains no filesystem so it’s not obvious to me what “mount” means in this context.)

> * Sound Juicer has more options when extracting (eg. file name layout) but display none by default (not even where to save). To change that, you have to do in the Sound Juicer menu in the title bar which is known to be unfindable by people, cf. VeraCrypt usability tests.

FTR/FYI: GNOME is in the process of removing such menus. That process should be completed for core GNOME by the time we upgrade to Debian 11 (Bullseye). But I’m not sure whether Sound Juicer is maintained actively enough to be updated :/

> * Fetching the name of the tracks offline works (don’t ask me how it works!)

I bet that’s thanks to your test disc having https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-Text metadata.

> but not online (using MusicBrainz).

Should presumably be solvable by torifying the app… unless MusicBrainz blocks Tor, which might be the case (see the subtitles thing…) but that would probably affect any CD player in Tails anyway.

> h2. GNOME CD Player

> * Fetching the name of the tracks doesn’t work, neither offline nor online.

I think if we can solve the online version for one of these 2 apps, we can solve it for the other.

> h2. Conclusion

> * GNOME CD Player would be better if we could fix it’s fetching of track names offline, though I’m not sure how common this is (I only tried 1 CD).

I could submit a feature request upstream for CD-Text but I suspect the answer might be “meh, the only solution that works for all CDs is MusicBrainz, just use that”. So perhaps we should (instead or on top of that) try to fix fetching metadata from the Internet.

> * Until then CD Player might be slightly better overall as it’s main drawback (broken offline fetch) can be solved with less technical knowledge than the main drawback of Sound Juicer (useless until mounted elsewhere)

Thanks. “might be slightly better overall” does not sound like it’s worth spending much time on it. I’ll adjust the metadata of this ticket accordingly and will update the description so it tells what a contributor willing to work on migrating to CD Player should do.

#13 Updated by intrigeri 2019-08-17 15:43:33

Ouch, I need one more info before I can update this ticket with a clear plan.

> * Sound Juicer would be better if Tails automounted devices

Would you still say so if we configured GNOME CD Player so it can retrieve disc metadata from the Internet?

#14 Updated by sajolida 2019-08-18 08:33:16

> What actions did you perform to “mount” it? (AFAIK an audio CD contains no filesystem so it’s not obvious to me what “mount” means in this context.)

That’s what I remember as well when I last tried to use an audio CD with
Linux … 15 years ago :)

I used “mount” because it’s the terminology used by Sound Juicer and the
interactions were the same as when mounting a USB stick: click on the
Audio CD label in the left sidebar of GNOME Files.

> Should presumably be solvable by torifying the app… unless MusicBrainz blocks Tor, which might be the case (see the subtitles thing…) but that would probably affect any CD player in Tails anyway.

I tried to run at least GNOME CD Player with torsocks and it didn’t work.

> I think if we can solve the online version for one of these 2 apps, we can solve it for the other.

Right.

> Thanks. “might be slightly better overall” does not sound like it’s worth spending much time on it. I’ll adjust the metadata of this ticket accordingly and will update the description so it tells what a contributor willing to work on migrating to CD Player should do.

Yep.

#15 Updated by sajolida 2019-08-18 09:03:54

If GNOME CD Player could retrieve metadata from the Internet, it would
be better than Sound Juicer, at least if we don’t consider autoplaying
more annoying or sensitive in the context of Tails.

#16 Updated by intrigeri 2019-08-18 09:09:30

> If GNOME CD Player could retrieve metadata from the Internet, it would be better than Sound Juicer, at least if we don’t consider autoplaying more annoying or sensitive in the context of Tails.

Thanks, I’ll update the ticket description & metadata accordingly!