Tails

#1 Updated by BitingBird 2014-06-22 00:26:46

• Status changed from New to Confirmed
• Type of work changed from Documentation to Communicate

#2 Updated by intrigeri 2014-06-22 00:50:52

• related to Feature #5870: Better support of non-commercial ISPs added

#3 Updated by intrigeri 2014-07-21 18:58:38

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Would https://help.riseup.net/en/security/resources/radical-servers be enough?

(Feel free to de-assign from you, and to remove the “Info Needed” indication, once you’ve replied :)

#4 Updated by Anonymous 2014-07-23 13:37:47

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Hi

i think the riseup page is very nice and sufficient indeed.

Maybe the doc should state something like:
“We do not recommend any third party services for your private communication, be it email, instant messaging or any other kind of messaging. We consider that it is not the aim of Tails to provide such information. However, the RiseupCollective provides a list of autonomous servers.* Furthermore, we encourage you to run your own, independent, services.”

What do you think ?

• If such a list exists for Jabber too, then let’s add this here eventually.

#6 Updated by intrigeri 2014-07-28 20:44:15

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#7 Updated by Anonymous 2014-07-28 21:44:23

• Status changed from Confirmed to Resolved
• QA Check deleted (Info Needed)

Created https://labs.riseup.net/code/issues/7685

#8 Updated by Anonymous 2014-07-28 21:44:45

• related to Feature #7685: Document alternative email providers added

#9 Updated by sajolida 2014-07-31 09:48:03

• Status changed from Resolved to Confirmed

Sorry but I’m reopening that ticket.

The list of radical servers provided by Riseup is a very good document. But if I understand correctly, all those collectives come from a political and activist background, and aim at providing tools for activists. The Riseup homepage reads « Riseup provides online communication tools for people and groups working on liberatory social change. »

But I think that the target audience of Tails is much wider than the target audience of those projects. And I have the impression that Riseup, especially, is suffering from being “the coolest and free email provider around”, and that many people, concerned about privacy, but not fitting into their target audience are rushing to Riseup when they should not, and that this is problematic for them.

In the past, a project such as lavabit was filling up this space, from my point of view by providing a free or cheap email service with privacy in mind. Maybe other similar project exist, I don’t know.

The idea behind this ticket was to share this concern with people from Riseup, and have their opinion on what other services are around for people that don’t fit in their target audience. And I thought that they would have a personal interest in having such a document published.

If it is not possible to create or point to such a document, I’m pretty much against pointing to that list of radical servers. As I’m worried about sending too many requests coming from the layman to those collectives. And people in their target audience probably have other means of knowing about those projects than through the Tails website.

#10 Updated by sajolida 2014-07-31 09:50:17

• related to deleted (Feature #7685: Document alternative email providers)

#11 Updated by sajolida 2014-07-31 09:50:36

• blocks Feature #7685: Document alternative email providers added

#12 Updated by Anonymous 2014-07-31 12:57:06

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sajolida wrote:
> Sorry but I’m reopening that ticket.
>
> The list of radical servers provided by Riseup is a very good document. But if I understand correctly, all those collectives come from a political and activist background, and aim at providing tools for activists. The Riseup homepage reads « Riseup provides online communication tools for people and groups working on liberatory social change. »
>
> But I think that the target audience of Tails is much wider than the target audience of those projects. And I have the impression that Riseup, especially, is suffering from being “the coolest and free email provider around”, and that many people, concerned about privacy, but not fitting into their target audience are rushing to Riseup when they should not, and that this is problematic for them.

ACK

> In the past, a project such as lavabit was filling up this space, from my point of view by providing a free or cheap email service with privacy in mind. Maybe other similar project exist, I don’t know.
>
> The idea behind this ticket was to share this concern with people from Riseup, and have their opinion on what other services are around for people that don’t fit in their target audience. And I thought that they would have a personal interest in having such a document published.

Well, the initial idea behind the ticket was to discuss if we can provide such a list in our documentation. The title is kind of misleading and does not really reflect what i was initially reporting, but rather reflects the last part of your first answer to this initial demand.

> If it is not possible to create or point to such a document, I’m pretty much against pointing to that list of radical servers. As I’m worried about sending too many requests coming from the layman to those collectives. And people in their target audience probably have other means of knowing about those projects than through the Tails website.

I understand completely.

So from my POV there is a mix of two issues here, one is to discuss if we want/can provide such a list to Tails users. The other one is to get in touch with people from Riseup to ask them if they need help.

#14 Updated by sajolida 2014-09-21 09:06:52

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• Type of work changed from Communicate to Wait

Written to collective@riseup.net through tails@boum.org.

#15 Updated by sajolida 2014-10-27 08:19:15

• Status changed from Confirmed to Resolved

Got an answer from one of them. Will add that info to Feature #7685.