Tails

#1 Updated by intrigeri 2014-03-01 20:06:30

I think it was mentioned at the last Debian security team meeting (http://titanpad.com/secteamessen2014) or in their notes (so-called “secure-testing” Git repo on Alioth). So perhaps this can really be done in Debian.

#2 Updated by Dr_Whax 2014-04-14 22:12:31

I have this: https://github.com/DrWhax/FascistFirewall/blob/master/blacklist-rare-network.conf

I guess it would make sense to include a test suite whether I could still send or receive protocols like this and ping the Debian security team once I can proof it doesn’t leak so it can be applied upstream?

Thoughts?

#3 Updated by intrigeri 2014-04-15 10:05:11

Dr_Whax wrote:
> I guess it would make sense to include a test suite whether I could still send or receive protocols like this and ping the Debian security team once I can proof it doesn’t leak so it can be applied upstream?

It might be me being not really awake, but it’s unclear to me:

• how much sense it makes to test if one can use a protocol when the kernel driver can’t be loaded
• what upstream we’re talking about: Debian kernel team, Debian security team, upstream Linux, anything else?

#4 Updated by Dr_Whax 2014-04-21 11:23:59

It was probably, I who wasn’t awake. Since i’m still a newcomer to contributing to Debian in general, what would you recommend to me when it comes to upstreaming this? Which team should I contact?

#6 Updated by intrigeri 2014-04-22 08:42:55

Dr_Whax wrote:
> Since i’m still a newcomer to contributing to Debian in general, what would you recommend to me when it comes to upstreaming this? Which team should I contact?

I think the Debian Security team are the best placed people to assert the usefulness of such a change, and to propose an implementation that can be acceptable for the wider project (opt-in? opt-out?). The idea that I drafted in this ticket’s description might be a good start, but I doubt it can work without the security team’s backing.

Still, on the short term, we can simply blacklist these network protocols in Tails only. Then, reporting that we’ve been doing that since N months without any user complain might be useful for pushing the same change into Debian.

#7 Updated by Dr_Whax 2014-04-28 20:08:07

I guess trying it out for a while and reporting to the Debian Security team on what we’ve been doing since N months sounds like a good idea to me.

Is this something we want in Tails 1.0?

#8 Updated by intrigeri 2014-04-28 20:15:25

> Is this something we want in Tails 1.0?

The Tails 1.0 ISO is being tested, and will be released tomorrow, so, no :)

I’d personally be happy to see it in 1.1, as long as it does not eat too much developer time that could be used for 1.1 blockers.

#11 Updated by Dr_Whax 2014-10-04 04:31:01

Send an e-mail to a security of Debian about this specifically. Hopefully know more soon.

#12 Updated by BitingBird 2015-01-02 16:45:07

Any answers about this ?

#13 Updated by intrigeri 2015-01-07 14:14:17

Dr_Whax wrote:
> Send an e-mail to a security of Debian about this specifically. Hopefully know more soon.

What mailing-list did you email? Can we have a link to your message in the archive?

#14 Updated by Dr_Whax 2015-01-07 14:18:48

This was to a Debian security person directly, I can’t find the e-mail however, he also never replied. I guess I should just open a Debian bug and link it here so we can track the changes.

#16 Updated by intrigeri 2015-01-11 11:48:49

After discussing it with ioerror, the plan could be:

1. ask the Debian security team if they need a detailed rationale for each module that Fedora and Ubuntu have been blacklisting by default for ages; if yes, complete our blueprint so it explains, for each module, what it’s useful for, and why these usecases don’t matter much to Debian
2. possibly add this topic to the next Debian security team meeting agenda (in the secure-testing SVN repo)
3. if the Debian security team is interested, work with them to find out in which package the blacklist should be shipped (see preliminary research about in on tails-dev@)
4. work on making our own blacklist bigger

#19 Updated by anonym 2017-02-23 14:09:38

Tails is affected by CVE-2017-6074 because we haven’t done this yet (specifically blacklist the dccp module). While I like that we want to take an “upstream first” path to this, it seems it’ll be too slow.

I think we quite cheaply can generate a whitelist of which modules in kernel/net to keep (=> remove/blacklist the rest) by looking at what modules are loaded in our history of whisperbacks. Say that COMMAND prints the contents of all whisperbacks (so it could be that COMMAND = cat * if you current directory contains all of them in plaintext files) I’d like the output of:

COMMAND | \
  sed -n '/^===== output of command \/bin\/lsmod =====/{:a;n;/^$/b;p;ba}' | \
  grep -v ^Module | \
  awk '{ print $1 }' | \
  sort | \
  uniq -c

Note: I want uniq -c output so we can see the count. I mean, there’s always the risk that one crazy users loaded e.g. dccp manually before sending a whisperback. :)

Could someone with access to the whisperbacks please run the above command?

Perhaps we should do the same with other trees of kernel modules, like kernel/fs? While exploiting filesystems generally require root privileges, it’s not the case for an attacker with physical access that can insert removable storage media.

Another discussion is blacklisting vs removing modules. Removing seems ultimately safer, and will even save some disk space. The only “advantage” of blacklisting is that the module is there so that power users can enable them again, but I expect our whitelist to be so wide that no one ever will need that.

#20 Updated by intrigeri 2017-02-24 15:26:51

> While I like that we want to take an “upstream first” path to this, it seems it’ll be too slow.

Stretch is frozen and most Debian people are busy stabilizing it, so now is definitely not a good time to propose this kind of changes in Debian. So I’m fine with implementing some custom hack on our side. And the next steps should be clear given our relationship with upstream commitment, so I’ll shut up :)

#22 Updated by sajolida 2017-03-04 20:40:16

Here you go!

>From 3918 reports sent since 2014.

The cruft at the beginning all come from reports from 2014.

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29 snd_soc_sst_ipc
70 snd_soc_sst_match
15 snd_soc_sst_mfld_platform
3205 snd_timer
1 snd_trident
153 snd_usb_audio
2 snd_usb_caiaq
153 snd_usbmidi_lib
14 snd_util_mem
6 snd_via82xx
4 snd_via82xx_modem
4 snd_virtuoso
1 snd_vx_lib
1 snd_vxpocket
4 snd_wavefront
4 snd_wss_lib
26 soc_button_array
56 sony_laptop
3205 soundcore
252 sp5100_tco
1548 sparse_keymap
3230 squashfs
2432 sr_mod
401 ssb
3 SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/keyring-a5o6AM/ssh

3 SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/keyring-hmGFKh/ssh

10 stkwebcam
1 stp
1 surfacepro3_button
36 syscopyarea
36 sysfillrect
36 sysimgblt
2 TAILS_MACSPOOF_ENABLED=false
2 TAILS_NETCONF=direct

4 tda1004x
8 tda18271
4 tda827x
11 tda8290
1 tda9887
328 tg3
2 The
2025 thermal
2740 thermal_sys
195 thinkpad_acpi
17 thunderbolt
58 tifm_7xx1
58 tifm_core
19 tifm_sd
2 to
143 toshiba_acpi
167 toshiba_bluetooth
14 toshiba_haps
1663 tpm
404 tpm_bios
50 tpm_crb
343 tpm_infineon
1647 tpm_tis
145 tpm_tis_core
1596 ttm
1 tun
12 tuner
1 tuner_simple
1 tuner_types
1 tuner_xc2028
20 tveeprom
2 twofish_avx_x86_64
10 twofish_common
10 twofish_generic
4 twofish_i586
6 twofish_x86_64
6 twofish_x86_64_3way
442 uas
19 udf
1 ufs
1091 uhci_hcd
57 uinput
2 umount:
2 ums_cypress
3 ums_eneub6250
193 ums_realtek
3219 usb_common
3219 usbcore
2170 usbhid
94 usblp
179 usbnet
72 usbserial
2838 usb_storage
1 usbtest
1 usbtouchscreen
60 usb_wwan
2 user-setup
2 Using
2 /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi,

2 /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled,

2 /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi,

2 /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled,

2 /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,

2 /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1,

1582 uvcvideo
1049 v4l2_common
118 vboxguest
118 vboxsf
117 vboxvideo
2501 vfat
11 via686a
2 via_rhine
2880 video
1587 videobuf2_core
7 videobuf2_dma_sg
5 videobuf2_dvb
1587 videobuf2_memops
228 videobuf2_v4l2
1580 videobuf2_vmalloc
10 videobuf_core
8 videobuf_dma_sg
7 videobuf_dvb
2 videobuf_vmalloc
1621 videodev
38 virt_dma
67 virtio
64 virtio_balloon
5 virtio_blk
57 virtio_console
1 virtio_gpu
57 virtio_net
67 virtio_pci
67 virtio_ring
8 virtio_rng
3 virtio_scsi
51 vmw_balloon
59 vmwgfx
51 vmw_vmci
9 wacom
4 [WARNING]
14 wimax
12 Window
3 wistron_btns
2218 wmi
2 (WW)
25 x38_edac
1171 x86_pkg_temp_thermal
1 xc5000
1 xen_blkfront
1 xen_netfront
1 xfs
1294 xhci_hcd
244 xhci_pci
7 xor
2 X.Org
16 xpad
3230 x_tables
1195 xt_conntrack
3221 xt_LOG
3228 xt_multiport
3230 xt_owner
3221 xt_REDIRECT
716 xts
2035 xt_state
3230 xt_tcpudp
270 yenta_socket
2 zd1211rw
1 zlib_deflate

#26 Updated by Anonymous 2018-08-18 13:28:50

DrWhax: are you still interested in making this happen? If not please unassign yourself.